Kevin Clark


Layout is a weekly podcast about design, technology, programming and everything else.

Sept. 12, 2019 148: Kevin Is Optional
This week we discuss Apple's September event where they introduced Apple Arcade and Apple TV+ for the third time, iPads …
Sept. 5, 2019 147: Kids Will Ruin Everything
We're back! We talk about what happened since our last episode. Topics include: speaking at conferences, Break This Safe, Figma …
June 13, 2019 146: It’s Podcasts All the Way Down
This week we follow up on SwiftUI and talk about our own personal challenges. We then talk about the new …
June 6, 2019 145: I’m Not a Big Fan of Fans
This week the episode is all about Apple's 2019 WWDC announcements: watchOS 6, iOS 13 and Dark Mode, iPadOS, the …
May 25, 2019 144: I Feel Like Oprah
This week we talk about our job interviews that didn't work out and what we took away from these experiences. …
May 15, 2019 143: I Don’t Actually Design Design Anymore
This week we talk about feeling impostor syndrome as a manager and Dark themes vs Light themes.
May 2, 2019 142: Force Ghost Rafa
This week we talk at length about the Facebook redesign. We also finally talk about The Rise of Skywalker trailer.
April 26, 2019 141: The Coffee of TV Shows
This week we talk about how sometimes you have to be irrational to make something great. We also circle back …
April 19, 2019 140: Blue Yeti’s Blue Ball
This week we talk about why it seems like we're seeing fewer and fewer UI innovations and how there might …
April 11, 2019 139: This Table Is Not Actually a Table, It's a Staple
This week Kevin has a contrarian opinion on the Staples logo reveal video and we talk about John Maeda's comments …
March 27, 2019 138: Finger Touching Bono and Stuff
Short show this week. We follow our tradition of picking apart the details of Apple's announcements: News+, Arcade, Card and …
March 22, 2019 137: If There’s an Android, There’s a Way
This week, Rafa tells us all about his recent experience using Android for a few weeks: what he liked, what …
March 14, 2019 136: Return of the Mac Apps
This week the internet gods blessed us with a ton of design-related news just in time for our recording. We …
March 8, 2019 135: Look at That Page Curl
This week we talk about org structures and how it affects us as designers. We also talk about the Revolut …
March 1, 2019 134: You Should Outsource Walking
This week we talk a bit more about foldable phones, how Slack is messing with our homescreen again, and then …
Feb. 20, 2019 133: Mario, the Plumbing Influencer
This week we talk about growing up to become your parents, getting emotional, the pitfalls of fame, Samsung's foldable phone …
Feb. 14, 2019 132: There’s No Edit Button in Podcasting
This week Rafa shares two lessons he's learned as a first time manager, then we talk about some recurring trends …
Feb. 6, 2019 131: The Kids on TikTok Are Not Complaining
This week we talk about Kevin’s experience giving a big talk and then we talk about our evolving relationship with …
Jan. 23, 2019 130: Lukewarm Takes
The wait is over! We know you couldn't wait for our takes on the new Slack logo and boy we've …
Jan. 17, 2019 129: With Great Title Comes Great Responsibility
This week we talk about Rafa becoming the head of design at Netlify, setting expectations for a new role, CRMs …
Jan. 10, 2019 128: The Artist Formerly Known as Follow Up
This week we eat breakfast. Lots of it. We discuss Rafa’s already obsolete TV, pos-purchase monetization and the impact on …
Jan. 3, 2019 127: The Monday of the Year
This week, Rafa is back on Twitter and Kevin takes this opportunity to fill him in on all of the …
Dec. 31, 2018 Holiday Special: I Hate Moist Zombies
It's a holiday miracle! As a special bonus episode for the Holidays, we play a zombie text adventure game. We're …
Dec. 27, 2018 126: Layouties 2018
Our third annual Layouties! We look back at some of our favorite things of the year and give them awards.
Dec. 6, 2018 125: Imagine a Coconut With a Straw
This week we talk about being busy & the impact it has on us, tech companies making custom typefaces and …
Nov. 29, 2018 124: The Dark Side of the Web
This week we talk about approaching large scale design problems, Kevin's email rant, Facebook's Blueprint for Content Governance and Google's …
Nov. 22, 2018 123: Design Is How It Reads
This week we talk about Rafa's totally predictable purchase, the growing realization that most design problems are actually content problems, …
Nov. 15, 2018 122: Freaking Chamfered Edges
Kevin is back from San Francisco, so we finally talk about our first impressions on the new iPad Pro, the …
Oct. 25, 2018 121: Millennial Kidnappers
This week we follow up on genderless pronouns in different languages (or lack thereof) and talk about what we would …
Oct. 17, 2018 120: Titles Are Our Legacy
This week we talk about the realities of traveling for work, Photoshop on the iPad, Adidas's 'new' webdesign style, the …
Oct. 12, 2018 119: Figma Just Got Paddie 2ed
This week we briefly continue our discussion about design tools, then talk about custom Apple Watch Faces, the Habitat 67 …
Oct. 4, 2018 118: 5/5 Would Alive Again
This week we talk about a few main design tools: Adobe XD, InVision Studio, Framer X, Figma and Sketch.
Sept. 22, 2018 117: X AM
This week we got to record in person from Amsterdam. We talk our experience at Framer Loupe, Rafa's new Apple …
Sept. 12, 2018 116: The Court of Design
This week we talk about the Apple Event, Apple Watch Series 4, iPhone Xs and Xs Max and the iPhone …
Aug. 29, 2018 115: The Opposite of Async
This week we talk about open offices, the Mastodon client we're working on and more punishment suggestions for Kevin.
Aug. 22, 2018 114: Chance the Raptor
This week we talk about Kevin's punishment for not shipping his website, how all advice is kind of terrible and …
Aug. 16, 2018 113: Decentralized Instances of the Thing
This week we talk about the sad state of Twitter and our desire for something to come and replace it.
Aug. 8, 2018 112: So Far So Nada
This week we talk about Kevin's experience leading a new team and the challenges that came with it.
Aug. 1, 2018 111: Make Excessively Sentimental
This week we talk about our thoughts on sugar coated design feedback and Firefox's new brand system.
July 26, 2018 110: Controlled Chaos
This week we discuss the topic of creativity, what inspires us and how we cultivate it. We also briefly discuss …
July 18, 2018 109: Sharpening an Axe to Break a Twig
This week we talk about problems. How do you know you truly understand them? When is the right time to …
July 12, 2018 108: There's Some Lag
How do you stay motivated by working on a mature and large project? How do you handle working in a …
July 4, 2018 107: The Show Show Show of the Show
Should your portfolio have long UX case studies or focus on lots of imagery? How do you know when you …
June 20, 2018 106: Layout Redesign Your Website Month™
This week we talk about the challenges with onboarding new designers onto your team, the official "Layout Redesign Your Website …
June 13, 2018 105: The Flat Wing
This week Rafa redesigned his website, so we revisit the topic of personal websites, setting goals for side projects, todo …
June 7, 2018 104: iOS 7 Was Leggings (With Special Guest Tim Van Damme)
This week we're joined once again by special guest Tim Van Damme to talk about how UI design is fashion, …
May 25, 2018 Bonus: Westworld Special (S02E04/05)
As promised, this is our special episode discussing episode 4 and 5 of Westworld season 2. We're joined by special …
May 23, 2018 103: Regular Mundane Mediocre Socks
This week Kevin join Rafa in person in Porto for this IRL episode. We talk about what's wrong with A/B …
May 17, 2018 102: Design Commander
This week we talk about what qualifies a designer as a senior designer, how Google Duplex might not be that …
May 9, 2018 101: Designer Spidey Sense
This week we tackle the topic of learning design. We also talk about the swipe up gesture in instagram, opinionated …
May 3, 2018 100: 100th Episode Fiesta
Layout turns a hundred episodes old so we invited some listeners to join us to talk about sustaining side projects. …
April 26, 2018 99: Spoiler Police
This week we talk about what is the best way to showcase UX work in a portfolio, letting your personality …
April 19, 2018 98: Family of Feels
This week we talk about Impostor Syndrome, quitting social media for a week and Ready Player One.
April 11, 2018 97: Longer Story Long
This week we answer some listener questions. Topics include: OKRs, 1:1s, and performance reviews.
April 4, 2018 96: April Jokes Day
How do you know when it's time to leave your company? While neither of us want to quit our job, …
March 28, 2018 95: United Shades of America
This week we talk about the gear we use to do our work (desk, chairs, computers, etc.)
March 21, 2018 94: Is Rafa Stupid?
This week, we talk about being busy and how this is something we actively try to avoid. We also have …
March 7, 2018 93: Hot Shower Take
This week we talk about the meaning of design titles (or lack thereof). We also finally talk about Black Panther.
Feb. 28, 2018 92: Being Humble… Sit Down
This week we talk about traits we look for in the people we work with, and that Vero app.
Feb. 21, 2018 91: The Dotcoms
This week we talk about the differences between marketing design and product design.
Feb. 14, 2018 90: Connect the Lines
This week we talk about how your personality can influence your design style and whether or not being "type-cast" is …
Feb. 7, 2018 89: Shower Dingus
This week we talk about hiring designers and having to review other people's portfolios, HomePod reviews and... shower handle design.
Jan. 31, 2018 88: I Have to, for Science!
Launching our sticker store, dogfooding your own products and the mystery that is the HomePod.
Jan. 24, 2018 87: Homer Simpson in the Bushes
This week we talk about introversion and how it affects different aspect of our life and work.
Jan. 17, 2018 86: Everything You Said Is Wrong or Whatever
This week we talk about shipping side projects, not just working on them. We also talk about waking up early, …
Jan. 10, 2018 85: The Benjamin Button of UI
This week we talk about how challenging it is to keep adding new features without compromising on simplicity.
Jan. 4, 2018 84: Title Fishing
As we're coming back from our holiday break, this week our topic is vacations. We address unlimited vacation policies, that …
Dec. 29, 2017 83: 2017 Layouties
As always, we close out the year by rounding up and giving “awards” to our favorite things of the year.
Dec. 23, 2017 Jedi Don't Wear Underwear
In this bonus episode, Kevin and Rafa talk about the new Star Wars movie: The Last Jedi. A 3h long, …
Dec. 21, 2017 82: The Last Handcrafted Tweetstorm (feat. Joel Califa)
This week we are joined by our friend Joel Califa to talk about the evolution of the designer role and …
Dec. 7, 2017 81: Homescreen Designer
This week we explore how do you grow in your career as a designer?
Nov. 29, 2017 80: Design Mustard
What it's like to work remotely, Rafa's shopping problem continues and... paperclips.
Nov. 16, 2017 79: Meat-ings
The main topic for this week: Meetings. And for our side dishes, we talk about how we feel about Stranger …
Nov. 8, 2017 78: Banning the Rays
What to do when you disagree with someone on your team and our first impressions of the iPhone X.
Nov. 1, 2017 77: Let’s Talk About Something Fun
For our main topic we talk about feeling like time is running out — getting old, with some iPhone pre-orders …
Oct. 25, 2017 76: Holy “Design Tools” Cow
Looking back at your old work, and hating what you see. Also, InVision Studio and the state of design tools.
Oct. 18, 2017 75: Software Spring Cleaning™
This week we talk about process and try to pin down what makes certain processes good and others bad.
Oct. 11, 2017 74: I Have a Beef With Entrées
Our main topic this week is: How to make sure what you ship is not a crappier version of what …
Oct. 4, 2017 73: Should Designers Ego?
We've made the show better! More focus on design topics and a better onboarding for new users. Our main topic …
Sept. 20, 2017 Wake Me Up When September Ends
After two years of making weekly episodes, one full year with Spec, it's time to regroup and think of how …
Sept. 15, 2017 72: Can You Feel the Ring Tonight?
This week we cover the new iPhone X, iPhone 8, and all the goodies from the most recent Apple event.
Sept. 6, 2017 71: Professional Driver
Sketch Libraries, Framer's new website and our Keynote draft for Apple's September 12th event.
Aug. 30, 2017 70: It's the Aesthetics, Man
Pixel Perfection, Rafa’s viral video technique™, our homescreens, and Kevin's London adventure.
Aug. 16, 2017 69: It's on the Troll (with Michael Flarup)
This week Rafa and Kevin are joined by Michael Flarup to talk about public speaking and the newly released Speakerdex!
Aug. 10, 2017 68: Do You Stand With Fontstand?
This week we talk about the state of purchasing fonts, HomePod firmware leak, and that Google memo.
July 26, 2017 67: How Do You Like Stuff?
Our personal design processes, design in an agile environment, getting ideas for side projects, and of course: iPhone rumors.
July 19, 2017 66: Ninja Links Everywhere (With Special Guest Sam Soffes)
This week Rafa and Kevin talk about Contrast for Mac, and indie Mac development with a very special surprise in …
July 12, 2017 65: Upside Up
HomeKit & smart things, typography & system fonts, and standing desks.
July 4, 2017 64: Swipe Wars
Kevin's iOS 11 design refresh, giving Dribbble a second chance, and a lot of talk about furniture.
June 28, 2017 63: AR Needs Its Blackberry Moment
Designing for the future with AR, and the 10th anniversary of the iPhone.
June 20, 2017 62: Randommendations
The new Design mode in Framer, Twitter's design update, winning the Shopify Hack Days and our thoughts on A Cure …
June 13, 2017 61: Crowdsourced Burritos (With Special Guest Ryan McLeod)
Rafa and Kevin are joined by Ryan McLeod to talk about iOS 11, Apple Design Awards, and a lot more. …
June 5, 2017 60: DJ Khaled on Periscope
Our first impressions on the announcements made at WWDC17!
May 30, 2017 59: Devil's Avocado
When a design "feels wrong", iOS 11 concept video and the winner of our giveaway!
May 23, 2017 58: Apple Campus S
Sketch 44, Things 3, iOS 11 predictions, and the new Apple Campus.
May 16, 2017 57: Busted Board (Feat. Zooey Bechamel)
This week Rafa and Kevin go over the popular NYT quiz "Which Tech Giant Would You Drop?".
May 2, 2017 56: That’s Sticker Official
This week Rafa and Kevin talk about what goes into a big launch, the prep, the release, and what comes …
April 26, 2017 55: With Our Powers Combined (With Brian Lovin and Bryn Jackson)
In this very special episode, Kevin and Rafa are joined in person by Brian Lovin and Bryn Jackson from Design …
April 17, 2017 54: Desktop HD Copy 46
Our first ever Layout meetup, Designing in Components, Rafa's dotfiles adventure, Instagram Collections and The Last Jedi.
April 11, 2017 53: Boredumness
This week Rafa and Kevin talk about the future Mac Pro, Figma's new pricing, Dropbox's redesign and Dribbble + Crew. …
March 28, 2017 52: The Hero of Stories Remakes
Rafa bought a switch, of course. Also: We follow up on Electron apps, Rafa goes viral, Apple releases a Christmas …
March 21, 2017 51: The Electron Uprising
Our review of Kite Compositor, the Electron uprising on the desktop and whether or not Stories is a format.
March 14, 2017 50: Rafa Duh
This week Rafa and Kevin talk about rolling out a gradual redesign, the new Offscreen magazine, rumored new iPads and …
March 7, 2017 49: Brian Lovin on My Shoulder
Following up from last week, we continue the discussion of IC vs Manager, and what comes with the manager hat.
Feb. 28, 2017 48: Spelling UX
Going from Individual Contributor to Manager/Lead. Also, Oscars' screw up and the winner of our Sketch Handbook giveaway.
Feb. 21, 2017 47: Chrome’s Chrome
Abstract, the “new” MacBook Pro, setting up new computers and Kevin's adventures in San Francisco.
Feb. 8, 2017 46: Unpronounceable Smart Lights
Being good at one thing vs being ok at a lot, the new and the original iPhone.
Jan. 31, 2017 45: A Header, a Modal, a Footer, Are You Getting It?
Presenting and selling your work. Also, Dribbble gets acquired, Juventus's new logo, Shopify Summit and Slack threads.
Jan. 17, 2017 44: I Dream of San Francisco
Feeling tired, and feeling guilty of feeling tired. Also: the crazy expectations of the Bay Area and Imposter Syndrome.
Jan. 10, 2017 43: I Want More Toys
This week we go over our plans and resolutions for this new year, and HealthKit and Home Automation.
Dec. 28, 2016 42: 2016 Layouties
We end the year with our grand annual LAYOUTIES, an award show in which we present awards to the best …
Dec. 13, 2016 41: Keep Up With My Viral Tweet
Kevin's gone viral, Out of office hours, Figma's new components, keeping up with the latest trends/technologies and a special announcement.
Dec. 8, 2016 40: Should Designers Vlog?
The automation of design tools, AIs taking over, and our design podcast recommendations.
Nov. 24, 2016 39: A Movie for Your Brain
Rafa's Rant™, ending your side-projects and our thoughts on UX vs UI.
Nov. 15, 2016 38: Hashtag Design Drama
Should designers have a porfolio?, Designed By Few 2016, Sketch 41 and Black Mirror S03E03.
Nov. 3, 2016 37: Magic Touch Pad Bar
New MacBook Pros, Apple getting out of the standalone display business and Black mirror S03E02.
Oct. 24, 2016 36: This Is the Future
Working nights and weekends, PlayStation VR and episode 1 of Black Mirror.
Oct. 17, 2016 35: Rogue One Two
User Research, and Burning out.
Oct. 10, 2016 34: Give Me a Lightsaber and I'm Happy
What we carry in which pocket, Google announces its new Pixel phone and Samsung acquires Viv.
Oct. 2, 2016 33: An Airbnb on Mars
Spectacles, Figma 1.0, Twitter being bought, DJI's new drone, and SpaceX announcement.
Sept. 21, 2016 32: I'm Feeling the FOMO
We still haven't received our iPhones, Black vs Jet Black, Stripe's new website and the Leica Q.
Sept. 14, 2016 31: Courage
We geek out over Apple's September announcements: Apple Watch series 2, iPhone 7 and the AirPods.
Aug. 31, 2016 30: Everyone's Drunk
Dark patterns, 'Even over' statements and the iPhone 7's rumored dual camera system.
Aug. 24, 2016 29: Crap Is Part of the Process
Instapaper joining Pinterest, whether or not 4 AM is our most productive hour, design livestreams and Kevin's Twitter Doppleganger.
Aug. 17, 2016 28: One Hour Long Trailer
A special announcement, Design Disruptors, Duo and designing with a vision.
Aug. 12, 2016 27: No One Taught Me Emoji in School
Title case vs Sentence Case, Instagram Stories and Stranger Things.
Aug. 2, 2016 26: I Have Velcro Shoes and Pokémon
Rafa gets sherlocked and we give tips for how to make the most of feedback sessions.
July 18, 2016 25: You Have to Literally Walk
The vlogging and Youtube scene, slowing down apps by design, designing in public, Shopify’s UX Summit and of course Pokémon …
July 5, 2016 24: Thanks Obama!
We start by talking a bit more about Apple Music in iOS 10, but ended up talking about consistency vs …
June 19, 2016 23: Stop Calling the iPhone a Phone (With Special Guest Tim Van Damme)
We are joined by Tim Van Damme to talk all about Apple's WWDC 2016 announcements.
June 15, 2016 22: Listen-bait
Conversational UIs, Kevin is building a bot, Pulls for macOS, and Rafa gets a new job.
May 27, 2016 21: It’s Hard to Bake Gradients
Our take on Google I/O: Daydream, Allo, Duo, Home, Android N and more!
May 12, 2016 20: I Connect When I’m Drunk
Instagram goes monochrome, Apple Music and Spotify design changes and Microsoft's new hover gestures.
April 28, 2016 19: Break This Safe Industries
Rafa's new Apple Watch game and some of the challenges that a designer goes through while building an app.
April 21, 2016 18: Faceless Layout FM Company
Origami Studio, syncing and sharing Sketch files with a team and the pros and cons of using a personal account …
April 11, 2016 17: Make Apple Music Great Again
The all new Framer, Spotify v. Apple Music, and the new Rogue One trailer.
April 7, 2016 16: No One's Trying to Make a Shitty Website
How to work and collaborate with developers and how to make sure your designs and expectations are followed-through.
March 14, 2016 15: Hiring a person, not a portfolio
Job interviews, how to get and prepare for them
March 2, 2016 14: I Love Taxes
The differences between independent, freelance, agencies, product companies and why you'd choose one over the other.
Feb. 9, 2016 13: We Don’t Have Geniuses in this Country
Uber's rebranding and Twitter's hypothetical algorithmic timeline.
Feb. 2, 2016 12: Major Lazer Used Figma
Our design process, more thoughts on Figma and the Shopify Summit.
Jan. 24, 2016 11: I’m a Sucker for Updates
Desktop Neo, rethinking the desktop interface and Dribbble Playbook.
Jan. 17, 2016 10: California Style Sheets
The future of Sketch and the story of how we got where we are today.
Jan. 7, 2016 9: Sketch It's Not You, It's Me
Designing in code, MacBook vs iPad pro as a secondary machine and Icon Design Awards.
Dec. 22, 2015 8: Cropping is Hard
Figma and the future of design tools.
Dec. 18, 2015 Star Wars Special
The Force Awakens is finally here. We talk about the many things we liked, the few things that we didn't …
Dec. 13, 2015 7: Mailbox is the new Rdio
Design interviews, Mailbox officially shuts down, how we feel about personal websites and Apple's ugly new battery case.
Nov. 29, 2015 6: My Flash Ghetto
This week we talk about the apps we use to get our work done.
Nov. 23, 2015 5: Fifty Shades of White
Public Speaking, Photo editing apps, using the iPad Pro to design and a eulogy to Rdio.
Nov. 16, 2015 4: That Little Swipey Thing
RIP Ember, Twitter favorites (err likes) and the new Apple TV UI
Oct. 29, 2015 3: It Has a Dinosaur So I Like It Already
Microsoft's autocomplete for animation, robots taking your job, and being a jack of all trades.
Oct. 22, 2015 2: What's a Radio?
Twitter's latest announcements, Paper by Dropbox, YouTube Red, Framer's interesting new pricing model and the new Star Wars trailer.
Oct. 15, 2015 1: I Wish I Could Force Touch This
Our take on Medium's latest design changes, Kevin's Apple Watch app is now in beta and Rafa gets his new …